Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
[00:00:05] Speaker B: Hello, and welcome to MBNA's Monument Matters.
[00:00:10] Speaker C: We're taking over Nugget.
[00:00:12] Speaker A: We run this town.
[00:00:14] Speaker C: This is our world.
[00:00:17] Speaker A: You're just living in it.
[00:00:19] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:00:20] Speaker A: Just rules the world.
[00:00:25] Speaker D: Welcome to a special takeover episode of Monument Matters. Sorry, Mike, it's the girls. Today I'm Christine Baukamp, and I serve as the president of Winn mvna, Women in Monument Builders of North America. And today, we're taking over the podcast to talk about relationships, challenges, and opportunities shaping the monument industry today.
Created in 2022, Winnbna is a unique organization within MBNA that builds connections, encourages professional growth, and supports women across all areas of the industry.
Joining me today are Courtney Swart, cm office manager at B and S Memorials, Inc. And current Wynn NBNA Vice President Courtney.
And Abby Metcalfe, CM executive assistant, main salesperson at Hutton Monument Company and the very first president of Winn MVNA when it was founded in 2022.
And Ryan Worthington, C M A I C, a co owner of Worthington Monuments and past president of MBNA and absolute OG of Winn NBNA. Thank you so much, everybody, for being here today.
[00:01:49] Speaker B: Glad to be here.
[00:01:50] Speaker D: We wanted to take over the podcast just so that we could talk a little bit more about Winn nbna. And so I have some questions for you guys. You ready?
[00:02:01] Speaker A: Ready. Ready.
[00:02:03] Speaker D: Not prepared. No notebooks, Just off the cuff. All right, well, why don't each of you tell everybody a little bit about how you first became involved in the monument industry.
Courtney, let's start with you.
[00:02:16] Speaker C: Okay. I was actually working within the death care industry at a funeral home for several years, and me and my husband, we were pregnant with my first son, and I just couldn't be around the chemicals or the heavy lifting or the heat with the crematories. So I took some time off and regrouped. I came back and I started looking for jobs, and this popped up. BNS Memorials was just starting right before the pandemic, and I said, it's a different part of the death care industry, so that works great. So. So that's how I got into it. It was fun and. Yeah, nice.
[00:02:54] Speaker D: Well, glad you're here for sure.
Yeah. Gabby, you want to go next?
[00:02:58] Speaker A: Yeah. So I actually never knew that this was even a thing. I don't. I didn't think about it, I guess. I mean, I. I know things are made, but I had every intention of going in medical field. I had just finished some certifications and was planning on getting a job in hospital, and a friend of One of my sons, his mom had given me a business card and said, oh, I know somebody that needs you in their office. And I was like, oh, you know, a doctor. Because I was struggling to find a position at an office. And she was like, no, not exactly. So I entertained the idea only because I wanted to get out of retail. And at the moment I was in retail. My dad had just passed away during the holidays and I missed all the holidays because of retail. And I was like, I'll do anything to get out of this right now. And so when I went for the interview, I tried to not get in job and ended up saying I would take it for 30 to 60 days and then reevaluate. And before 30 days was over, I just was in love with it. And 60 days I was. I forgot that I really wanted to even look into medical. And so this really has just become a passion and a love for me. So I'm here to stay.
[00:04:10] Speaker D: Nice.
Ryan, what's your story?
[00:04:13] Speaker B: So actually Matt and I started this company when we were still in college and Matt was working out of another monument company shop, like renting space from them and I was doing all the bookkeeping and you know, all the paperwork from our house.
And then when we graduated, Matt made that his, his full time job. And then I had another year of school left and I finished school and of course, you know, starting a business, there weren't a lot of paychecks coming in so we always joked that I had to go get a real job.
So I went and was still helping him on the side. But you know, had had my career and did that for several years and kind of never thought that I'd come back to the company. And then once we had our third son, I wanted more flexibility and so came back and now here full time and love it and am glad to be back and part of it. That's kind of how I ended up here.
[00:05:14] Speaker D: Fantastic. My story is one that I've told before, I think you ladies probably know it, and that is that I had just had a baby, she was three months old and my friend's parents owned a Monument company and they said hey Christine, do you want to come in a couple days a week for a few hours and cut obituaries out of the newspaper for us and then glue stick them to index cards, find their address in the phone book and that's kind of it. And I was like yeah, sure, I can do that. So yeah, just that part time work and like Abby love it. And I could not learn enough I wanted to know everything right away.
Well, next question. Maybe a little bit tougher, something to, to dive in a little deeper. I wonder if you guys can share if you have one, just one lesson that you learned on early in your career that maybe even still shapes how you work today.
Yeah, I'll go first.
[00:06:17] Speaker B: I think that I learned early on after being around a bunch of people that, you know, you talk to a supplier, you talk to client, you talk to whoever and they tell you, hey, I'm going to get you this photo tomorrow or I'm going to deliver this on this, this time. And I started realizing that a lot of people were telling me what they were going to do and not following through on it.
And so I kind of made it my, my goal not to make any promises that I'm not going to keep. So, you know, sometimes it's really easy to say, you know, if we're in a win MBA meeting and Christine says, hey, I need a volunteer for this, it can be really easy to say, oh, I'll do it, but step back for a second and make sure that you're really going to do what you say you're going to do. So whether it's from promising a client a turnaround time or telling, you know, your employee, I'll get back to you tomorrow on that, I think it's really important not to make promises that you're
[00:07:16] Speaker D: not going to keep.
[00:07:17] Speaker B: So I try every day to make sure that before I hit send on an email or hang up a phone call that whatever I just agreed to, I'm going to do it.
[00:07:26] Speaker D: Yeah, that's. That is such a really good lesson, I think, for everybody to learn from.
Thank you.
[00:07:34] Speaker A: Lesson I really learned early in working. This isn't in the monument industry necessarily, but I got my first job when I was 13 and I worked in a dog kennel. And we, I would be sent out there to do all kinds of different stuff, but we had like this hundred foot hose and I remember just rolling that thing up and sticking it up so it wasn't on the floor anymore. And I remember my boss at the time, he came out and he's like, come here, take a walk with me.
[00:08:02] Speaker D: Look at this.
[00:08:02] Speaker A: What is this? And I was like, I, I got the hose put up, it's off the floor. What? Like, I didn't, you know, and he's like, that's not how we hang hoses. You hang it this way. And it was done very neatly, like, you know, in a reel, like it should. And what I learned from that was do it right the first time, and you don't have to keep redoing things. So, like, take the time to do something, put your care and energy and intention into what you're doing the first time and follow through with it to do your best, no matter what the job is, whether it's hanging a hose or talking to somebody, giving them a call back, whatever. Just always do your best the first time. Do it right the first time and. And you'll get a good result.
[00:08:42] Speaker C: Let's say a lesson I learned early on and I still work on it because personally and professionally, I'm bad at saying no.
I'm a people pleaser.
So when customers would come in with these crazy designs, like the designing part of the industry, they would come in with these designs that just wouldn't work. I mean, I knew they wouldn't work and I would say, oh, yeah, we can figure it out. Or I would try to fit these teeny tiny emblems on a stone when it wouldn't last well. And I had to learn to tell them for their benefit and make it easier on us, like that's. And help, say with compassion and educate them like, this isn't going to work and let me tell you why and let's find a solution. So I still work at that every day, but that was a lesson that I learned very early on that it is for everybody's benefit to be upfront and honest with them and say, hey, this isn't going to work. Let me tell you why it's not going to work. And let's figure out a way to get you what you want that will work.
[00:09:44] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, I like that. I think we've all learned a lesson like that. And am I saying, like, setting expectations up front, you know, and just being super transparent up front? Yeah, that's. That's a huge lesson. Something that definitely will carry through. Personally, I had a family that I worked with very early on, and they had come back. I don't remember how long it was that they came back. I think they just wanted to add a vase or maybe add a base, something like that, something very simple.
But she came in and she was telling me about her marker and all of the things that she wished she had done differently. And I'm the one that worked with her.
She kept saying, I wish I would have known, da, da, da.
And that it just. It hurt and.
And it. It stuck with me. And now whenever I'm doing any training, I try to let people know about that story to say, make sure that you and I still are asking all of the questions. You know, people are going to come in and they'll say that they want one thing, but I want to make sure that they know what all the options are so that they don't ever have to come back and say, I wish I would have known.
Now, Winnbna is for the ladies, by the ladies, but we don't discriminate, right? When we have a something, you know, fun thumping party, the guys want in, we let them. But of course we want everybody to join our webinars. And we love all of the support. We've gotten a ton of support, especially from suppliers, but a lot of men in our industry, so absolutely, you know, no bashing. But the monument industry really has been traditionally male oriented or dominated. So how have you guys seen opportunities for women evolve in this profession? For instance, we're all cms. I don't know, you know, that's, that's pretty amazing. So what other opportunities do you see have evolved?
[00:11:55] Speaker A: Well, I know that for me just on the outside, like I've seen a lot of more women getting involved in hands on parts of the craft and I love to see that the strength of women is insurmountable really. And I think sometimes we sell ourselves short thinking. Whether you are thinking it consciously or subconsciously that you're incapable of meeting the strength that needs to be in play when you're swinging a hammer or chisel or whatever. The time hard rocks comes around and I see more women involved, it makes me excited to see their strength come through and the confidence that I think that that gives, like every time you learn to use a new tool, you know, even in my personal life, I learned how to use a saw at home. It makes me feel stronger and a lot more capable. And every time the women are out there showing off their skills, I watch Heather with her projects, like going from the first time she was there all the way through and how each one is getting more detailed and more refined. And this year my coworker Lydia, she went for the first time and watching her be able to start learning a lot of that stuff, you know, gets you excited for doing different things and learning that you, you are capable of more than you realize.
And I do think that the men have done a really good job in that place to welcome the women in and teach them things and stuff too. So I applaud them for that because they could also be like, wait, what
[00:13:18] Speaker D: are you doing here?
[00:13:19] Speaker A: They don't treat them that way. And I think it's Great.
[00:13:21] Speaker C: And that's something about this industry that I learned very early on. Everybody, female or male, they're very welcoming people in this industry. They're very welcoming, they're very kind and very open to helping. And I think I'll build off your answer, Abby. I've seen women in parts of the industry. I didn't. I never thought I would see women like in the shop or on the setting crew. And that's so empowering and just seeing how, you know, parts of the industry like positions like sales and management, typically women are in, you know, we're now in the shop and we're head to head with the guys and that's awesome to see. It's really encouraging and enlightening and a breath of fresh air.
[00:14:08] Speaker B: And I'll piggyback on. I think Abby and Courtney both hit on that. Although it has typically been a male dominated field, I've never felt like they were. The men were excluding the women. We just weren't there. And so it takes people like Heather and others to step up and show all of us that we can be there. And I think everyone's been very welcoming with, you know, with these changes coming. And so it's exciting, like you were saying, to see, see women in different parts of the business now even being
[00:14:39] Speaker A: taken seriously on a financial, financial end of it or, you know, knowing what you're talking about when you're making sales. Because even that part of it was male dominate long time. It still may be. Statistically, I don't know what the numbers are, but oftentimes when you walk into a place and you're expecting men to be the ones to handle everything, they can even treat you like a client would treat you like you don't really know what you're talking about when it comes to an answer for something. And so, you know, being able to speak with confidence helps.
[00:15:09] Speaker D: Yeah, that reminds me, I had a woman come into the store one time and she, you know, she looked around me, like literally around me, and she said, can I speak to the man in charge here?
And I wanted to say, lady, I am the man in charge. Like there, there's literally not a man anywhere around here. But I said, I'm in charge. What can I help you with? And she was like, no, no, I need to buy a marker. I need to speak to the man in charge. And so it's not even within our industry. I think it's a public perception too, which I think has changed quite a bit. But if you've ever read through some of the old NB news. You can, can really tell how far the industry has really come as far as diversity.
That's a great, a great. What does the Wynn NBNA provide that may not exist elsewhere in the industry?
[00:16:06] Speaker A: I think that when MVNA provides a safe place for women, and I don't mean that, that there's danger elsewhere, but I know in lots of areas of life women are afraid to speak up. And again I don't. Sometimes I think it's so like a subconscious thing, you know, to ask a question in a group where it's a.
Men are filling the room. You and you know that they have all this knowledge and, and have been in industry for 30 plus years and maybe you're a newcomer to stand and ask a question. You know, what does this abbreviation mean? Or what do you mean home? What, what are you talking about? It can make you feel kind of dumb like, and you do that to yourself because you're not dumb. You just are learning and it's okay to learn, but when you, when you become afraid to ask questions, you restrict the knowledge that you're getting. And with, with the WIN group you feel a little bit safer to ask those questions to women where you're going to get a little bit softer answer perhaps just.
And, and you're not as afraid to ask questions and
[00:17:14] Speaker D: make it known that
[00:17:15] Speaker A: you really don't know. Yeah, I agree.
[00:17:20] Speaker C: Yeah, for sure. There are some tables that I sit at with within the industry. Like I said, everybody's, everybody's great within the industry, male and female. But at some tables with like men that have been in the industry for so long and women there, sometimes I'm scared to speak up. But within win, with, within our groups, I feel it easier to speak up and ask questions or voice my opinion. And I know like you said, Abby, I shouldn't be scared to speak up at any table I'm at. But you know, it's a little bit easier and I feel like when creates a safe space to where I can do that even if I'm in the wrong, I'm going to get like you said, a softer response. And it definitely creates a safe space. And I know that kind of sounds generic, but it does and it's very nice.
[00:18:13] Speaker D: I think that that's so great to hear because that was intentional. I think that was one of our very first goals before we had an official vision or an official mission statement. We always said it's not a club, it's not something that you have to have membership to. Nobody is excluded Excluded. It was literally to create a space for us to gather, to be able to ask questions, support each other, find. Find ways to grow together. Recently jumped a little. A little ahead here, but we've got a 5K coming up, a virtual 5K. And Courtney created a tagline that is so good, we're just going to keep on using it until everybody is sick of it. And it's carving our path, and it's just. It fits right in with exactly, you know, doing that. We're just going to keep going. We're carving the path for ourselves and for the women who, you know, are coming up alongside of us, behind us.
[00:19:11] Speaker A: So, yeah, I love the tagline. I gotta tell you.
Good job on that.
[00:19:17] Speaker C: It's so fitting to the industry, too.
[00:19:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:21] Speaker D: Does anybody have any examples of a time when. When one. One person and Wynn had to help another through some sort of challenge or question or business situation?
[00:19:34] Speaker B: I don't have a specific example, but I would recommend that anyone watching this podcast and wanting to get more involved with WIN join our Facebook group. It's a nice place where Abby does a great job of, you know, putting questions every now and then, and it's nice to read the responses. And so I've gotten some help that I didn't even know I needed from that website or that Facebook page. You know, people just making comments on how they would handle this situation or different things like that. So that's been a place I've seen us collaborate and work well together.
[00:20:06] Speaker D: Yeah, that's good. Anybody can post there. It's not just admins. It's not just committee members. It's. It's absolutely. Anybody can post or even ask for private messages if it's not something that they don't want to have completely out in the public. I am thinking, too, about business situations. A lot of times in our committee meetings, we actually see those kind of things either on Facebook or a person on the committee has had a particular situation.
And that's actually how a lot of our, like, webinars are born, because we talk about situations and challenges and we say, well, if we're wondering about those, everybody else probably is, too. This would really just make a great topic.
So we're always open to new topics, too. If somebody has something that they want to talk about, whether it's. We do like an informed discussion or an actual webinar, we get a professional speaker. You know, feel free. Everybody out there, just feel free to send in any suggestions at all. Know a great speaker. Let us know.
[00:21:09] Speaker A: One of the things Too, That I find with Win is I look up to a lot of these women who have been in industry so much longer than me, and I hear them talk about different topics just on the fly. Like, we might be at a conference, which I highly recommend everybody going to because they're so valuable. But I'll. And I've done zoom calls with like, Lisa Troost asking different questions about different things. You know, how do you meet your goals? Like, I have to do these, you know, trying to get Google reviews or meeting certain, certain goals, and I'm struggling. How, you know, do you have any tips? How, how can you give me some information or encouragement, really, just on, on getting some of that stuff. And Allison Ramer, I've done the same thing with her on other topics. You know, Ryan, I've called you about different things. Christine, I know I've tapped you out probably a few times. And it's just the encouragement that you get along the way has been exponentially beneficial. And it's one of those things where, like, you learn from somebody and then for some reason, another person comes up and asks you a similar question. You're like, I just talked to so and so about this and you're able to relay that and it snowballs. Let me introduce you to this person. They know more about this than me. And then networking that you get and the friendships that you end up building through, all of that really just helps because we work in an industry that's just so different than anything else. Like, if you work in retail, there's 5 million people that you can run into that talk about retail stuff within this industry, it's just very different and more sensitive in a lot of ways. And so having those types of mentors and relationships and networking possibilities, it just makes the job easier in a lot of ways because you have those people to bounce things off of. And without the groups and without the networking, I don't like. What do you do?
AI does not always give you the right answers. I promise. I've looked things up and it's not.
[00:23:04] Speaker D: It's not right.
Well, what do you girls think? Like, what kind of skills are going to become even more important over the next 10 years?
What's the future look like for women in the monument industry?
[00:23:19] Speaker C: I think for women and men and just the industry in general. My opinion, I know everybody has heard it a thousand times, but adapting to AI being at in the industry, in every industry, but in our industry, adapting to what it brings to the table. Customers bringing stuff in, AI generated and learning to Coexist and still have that professionalism and being independent without AI, if that makes sense.
You know, within designing and how you handle customers, there's a bunch of chats.
You know, some monument companies have, you know, instead of talking to someone, you have an AI chat and how to exist in a world with AI within our industry and adapting to it instead of pushing it out and trying to shut it down. I think that's going to be the biggest challenge, I think within the industry and that we've got to learn, learn to live with it and excel with it and really not, I don't know,
[00:24:28] Speaker B: it's not like when the Internet came
[00:24:31] Speaker A: said the same thing.
[00:24:33] Speaker C: Do what?
[00:24:34] Speaker A: Like when the Internet came out and our parents would say like we told her parents were the same thing when the Internet was a thing.
[00:24:40] Speaker D: Yeah, I've literally heard it compared to the Google Internet revolution, you know, really that it's that large. There's. There just won't be a way to get around it, away from it.
[00:24:53] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:24:54] Speaker B: Courtney said I have to learn to coexist with it. So it's not, it's not going anywhere. So how can we use it to make our businesses better and then, you know, serve these families better? So.
Yeah.
[00:25:07] Speaker A: And that leaves our creativity to it. Yeah.
[00:25:09] Speaker D: Yeah. I like to also think about not losing skills. I think one thing that's really important for women, anybody who's working in the office, they should take some time to work in the shop and actually learn those skills. And, and anybody in the shop should be able to see what happens in the office or observe working with a family. And so those, those kind of skills, both sides of those are very helpful no matter where you work inside of a monument company. No, it's not always easy for everybody. Small companies especially make it hard or maybe small companies, you have even less of that. I worked in the office when we were a very small company and was able to help in the field and in the shop.
But that's what made me a better salesperson and that's what made me available when the large projects, large scale projects came along. So everybody being really well rounded is still to me super important.
So how can somebody get involved with winnbna or learn more about its programs? We talked a little bit about Facebook and sort of mentioned the 5k which is just our virtual 5k fun thing to do together. What else is going on?
[00:26:37] Speaker A: And winning attending a conference would be a really good thing. So my advice would be if your office isn't sending you, ask to go ask for all the education that you can.
[00:26:49] Speaker B: Yep. And Abby, don't forget we typically give away a free registration to the conferences. So if there is someone that hasn't been or there, it's a. I mean, because it is a financial investment. But keep a lookout for, for our raffle to give away.
[00:27:06] Speaker A: One good reminder, Ryan.
Yeah.
[00:27:09] Speaker C: Or join a. Join the committee and get involved. You know, I know I speak for myself and I'm sure y' all are the same.
Anybody can reach out to me and I'll help you get involved. I'll help you. I'll share about the group. And the Facebook page is wonderful. I know we've mentioned that, but I feel like that's such a big hub for the group.
[00:27:32] Speaker B: Yeah, that's an easy place to get involved and kind of just, you know, stick your toe in the water and kind of see what it's about and start seeing the conversations that are happening and things like that.
[00:27:43] Speaker D: All right, Courtney, do you have the dates for the okay.
In front of you?
[00:27:49] Speaker C: I do.
Over to the side of me.
[00:27:53] Speaker D: So has anybody else here done a virtual 5K?
[00:27:57] Speaker B: No. Why don't you explain it to us?
[00:27:59] Speaker D: So virtual 5k is a way for us to promote some wellness, some well being, get out into the fresh air, relieve some stress and be able to do something together. But since we can't all get together and run down the road, we are going to do it virtually, which means you're just going to do it on your own. So we'll have one whole week to be able to get that K in. Whether you walk it, jog it, run it, swim it, walk your dog with it doesn't matter. Push a stroller. All you have to do is register on the webpage. Monument Builders and is that right? Monumentbuilders.org I think that's right.org okay. And so you can register and you'll receive a bib. So you'll have a number. You can buy a shirt if you want one. It's not included with your registration.
And you'll have the opportunity to report your time. And we will have first, second and third place winners which will be awarded at the next convention in Mobile, Alabama, February of 2027.
And yeah, it's just a great way for us to remind each other to keep ourselves moving, keep ourselves, ourselves healthy. And one more thing for us to do together. We've got some other webinars coming up this year. We have one on QPR which is learning to see the signs of suicide and becoming certified in understanding how to Quickly respond to those things. Not being responsible, but learning how to respond. We're also considering an updated, informed discussion on AI for that whole DIY monument design we did about a year. A year and a half ago. So an updated version there. We've got lots of new information coming to our webpage. So on monumentbuilders.org, winnbna has our own webpage. We've got a little bit of information there, but that is very soon going to be extended. What else do we have going on?
[00:30:10] Speaker B: What were the dates?
[00:30:11] Speaker D: I'm really excited about Alabama. What's that ryan date for?
[00:30:15] Speaker B: 5k?
[00:30:17] Speaker C: It's June 6th through 14th. And whenever you.
Whenever you're running, if you'll snap a picture and throw and post it online, we have our hashtag winnbna and then hashtag Carving our path. And then the other one. What was the other one, Christine?
[00:30:35] Speaker D: Move together, grow together.
[00:30:37] Speaker C: 5K.
Yes.
We'd love to see. See everybody out there?
[00:30:43] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
[00:30:46] Speaker A: Can you put those hashtags on it? They may already be there, but on the Facebook page, so. So we can get them, right?
To do the hashtags.
[00:30:55] Speaker D: Yeah, we'll take a look. They should be there. I know that it was. We had the announcement on the Wynn Facebook page.
[00:31:01] Speaker A: Does it count if we do it, like, in the gym on a stationary bike? Cause someone I know had a bad foot surgery and might not be able to walk.
[00:31:08] Speaker D: Yes, the stationary bike counts.
[00:31:11] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:31:12] Speaker D: Yes.
You could put K on on your arm scooping ice cream. I don't care. Take a picture of yourself. No, that's not wellness. Well, maybe it's mental health.
[00:31:22] Speaker A: Well, ice cream is taking care of yourself. You know, it brings you joy. That counts. Yeah.
[00:31:28] Speaker C: Balance.
[00:31:31] Speaker D: You guys, it's so nice to see you all together. Does anybody have any last comments for us before we close this out?
[00:31:37] Speaker A: I want to just encourage people, too. If there's not something in Wynn MBNA that you want to get involved in. There is a lot within the MVNA to get involved in, and even in your regional area, you probably have a regional association, so they always need volunte. But also with the mbna, every pillar has a committee, and there's lots of things that need to be done, and there's always room for people to get involved in those areas as well. And some things take more commitment time than others. So decide how much you can commit to. And like Ryan had said at the very beginning, you know, don't commit to something that you can't do. But usually there's something that you can do. And if nothing else, if you, if you're interested in something and you don't, you feel like not qualified to do that because that's how you learn and that's how you grow, and that's how you, you know, learn what you don't know. Sometimes it's nice to do those things that you don't. And then you just expand and maybe you won't like that, so you move on to something else. And that's okay because you're not committed for the rest of your life. It's just for a time. So little while into it.
[00:32:42] Speaker D: If, if you need any encouragement, please call Abby Metcalf because she will talk right into a sunshiny day, I swear. Please reach out to her.
[00:32:52] Speaker A: Yeah, I can talk anybody into volunteering for something for a little while.
[00:32:58] Speaker D: Nice. I think I'll also just mention too, that Courtney and I are currently researching mentorship models. And so that's something that we have on the horizon. We always talk about growth support, and so we don't want to just start something and see how it works. We want to put the work into figuring out what the very best type of mentorship support, whether that's one on one or group, or whether it is based on the type of work that you do. We're just going to deep dive into all of that. And so that's coming up in the future. Anybody has any experience with something that worked really well for them, obviously we'd love to hear about that, too.
All right, well, thank you so much, ladies. Thank you so much for being here.
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Before we wrap up, we also want to extend a sincere thank you to Mike Johns.
Thanks, Mike. Thanks for moving aside for the day and of course, for the Monument Matters podcast, for giving Wynn NBNA the opportunity to take over the microphone for this episode. So thanks everybody for listening. We really look forward to continuing this conversation at future NBNA events, programs, gatherings. So until next time, everybody take care.
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